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, he so impressed american presidents, we know how close he was with bill clinton on his 94th birthday, clinton went in july of 2012 to celebrate that 94th birthday with him. he was too ill in june of this past year to be visited by president obama and his family. they very much wanted to, but he was such an inspiration for a young barack obama as the colleague student and a community leader and a law student and we saw how important it was to bring his girls to show them by example the tiny space in which this great man lived. the empowering morals of the great leader and gandhi and abraham lincoln. it was so something so profoundly large in his spirit and the way he addressed even those of us who were younger reporters. the foreign press core always with respect and grace. >> we are moments away from president obama going to give some words to the world here from the white house on the passing of nelson mandela. again, this man must have admired america and the struggle in our country. did he want to use that as a model for freedom in south africa? how close was he to the american dr
, how elderly he's got, and i have heard president clinton speak about how he woke up chelsea that morning and he said you know, nelson mandela is going to be freed and this is probably the most important thing that's going to happen in your life so come and watch the television. so everybody was vested in that moment. i remember it so clearly and so does everybody who was there. >> it was an amazing moment for south africa, indeed for the world. i want to zakaria into this conversation. we are remembering nelson mandela, a world leader who made such, such a change not only in south africa but indeed, he inspired so many people around the world. >> absolutely, wolf. remember, this is a man born in 1918, when the sun never set on the british empire, and lived a long life and was part of a kind of tradition of nonviolent resistance to colonial power and colonial oppression that was part of the indian independence movement. he was greatly inspired by gandhi, by the nonviolent struggle, and that was one of the most remarkable aspects of mandela when he came out after 27 years in j
: it was bill clinton with whom he would develop the closest bond. mandela, now president of south africa, visited the white house during the darkest days of the clinton presidency. he gave his friend a boost. >> our morality does not allow us to desert our friends. >> reporter: this friendship clinton treasures to this day. >> we just hit it off. i just adored him. he was always, you know, he was a true friend. >> reporter: mandela, as an ex-president, met with george w. bush in 2005. but there was no love lost there. mandela was one of bush's harshest critics when it came to iraq. when we talked to bush about the ailing mandela earlier this year, there were no hard feelings. >> he promoted freedom. he was a really great leader. he was smart and capable. and made his mark. >> reporter: obama only met mandela once. ever so briefly as a junior senator. but his connection may be the most profound. it was mandela, he says, who awakened him to the wider world. inspiring him to political activism. >> he gave me a sense of what human beings can do when guided by their hopes, not by their fears.
the audience that will include three former u.s. presidents, george w. bush, bill clinton and jimmy carter as well as many other dignitaries and celebrities. george and laura bush are aboard air force one with the obamas right now. so is the former secretary of state hillary clinton, the current attorney general of the united states, eric holder, the national security advisor to the president, susan rice, among many, many others. let's bring in our chief national correspondent, john king, who has covered a lot of these kinds of trips. we have been on many of these major trips. can it get awkward from time to time? you have -- there will be four american presidents, current president, three former presidents, in south africa with their wives at the same time. >> number one, a major security challenge for the united states secret service and their international allies as they cooperate on this. i just spoke to a couple sources, they say they are very confident. can it get awkward. you mentioned the current president of the united states and raul castro. i was at the mandela inauguration wher
hosted by then-president bill clinton who at the time was in the middle of the monica lewinsky scandal. shortly after the news came that the south african leader had died, president clinton released a statement saying in part, he proved there is freedom in forgiving, that a big heart is better than a closed mind, and that real victories must be shared. later in a tweet, hillary clinton said, nelson mandela was a champion for justice and museum dignity with unmatched grace. i'll remember him as madiba. good to talk to you, salinda, good morning. you called him one of the most courageous people i have ever met. tell us about your meeting with him, with working with him, and what you want people to know. >> well, i was just part of a very big meeting, and i met with him once in a strategy session and once heard him deliver a speech in south africa. but having him work with his team and the pollster for the anc during that first election, there were three things that really struck me. one was just his enormous clarity and vision for the country and bringing the country together. the second
bill clinton was the featured speaker. bill clinton's relationship with nelson mandela was really, really powerful, wasn't it? >> it was very powerful, wolf. i know they both cherished it, president mandela cherished it and i know president clinton did. in some ways maybe it's presumptuous to say it was a little bit of a father/son relationship. clinton looked up to mandela. mandela was an adviser to him and almost a very personal intimate way, and they shared a real bond, and i loved those beautiful photographs of when clinton went with mandela to robben island and you see them both looking out of mandela's old cell, very powerful. >> i interviewed nelson mandela the day after that visit to robben island back in march of 1998, and during that interview, he spoke glowingly of president clinton, but he also made it clear he did not a have a problem criticizing various u.s. policies and making it clear we an international agenda, there you see a picture of the former president bill clinton, he was president with nelson mandela in the cell in robben island and you see first lady hill
with your calls. a statement here from bill clinton. lost one of its most important leaders. - our maura, illinois is next. i actually had a chance to see nelson mandela when i was a student in south africa. , around 1994. he came to the council where i was. he was an ordinary guy. all theking around campuses in south africa. just for the students to have a good [indiscernible] >> thank you for your call. , they raise post their fist upon his release from prison after 27 years. that is from 1990. caller: hello. i want to give my condolences. host: make sure you mute your set. caller: i would like to give my condolences to his family and the people of africa. today was a tragic day. they lost an important man. i really wish in the united states school districts, they would teach more about him. there is a lot of people that they don't know what he has done for the country. they are not up on the things that he has provided for africa. they know that he has passed away. host: we appreciate your call. the last word here. your thoughts on nelson mandela. caller: mr. mandela was a man of pea
no longer belongs to us. he belongs to the ages. >> reporter: and former presidents clinton, bush and carter united to mourn the leader, in cities across the nation, people coming together to honor the man who has become a global symbol for justice and humanity, a touching tribute lights a marquee at the legendary apollo theater in harlem where nelson mandela visited to his first trip to the u.s. in 1990. >> he came to the state office building, drew about 200,000 people out here that day. and those struggles that we have here in the united states, he was very familiar with and they were going through the same in south africa. >> reporter: news of his death traveled swiftly around the world. prince william and kate middleton heard the news while attending the premiere of the film "mandela: long walk to freedom." >> we are reminded how extraordinary nelson mandela was. >> reporter: at the united nations, silence. and the remembrance of his enormous impact. >> no one did more in our time to advance the values and aspirations of the united nations. nelson mandela showed what is possible for our
's, it's a few minutes ago, we will show you those as well. cspanchat.ag is # bill clinton tweets i will never forget my friend madiba, the colloquial casual name for resident mandela, and a look the president has included in that suite. who tweets, a look at the apollo theater, the marquis, honors nelson mandela tonight. here's the front page of "the new york times" -- john mccain from arizona tweets rest in peace, nelson mandela, whose courage and character inspired south africa and the world. let's hear from you. greg from new york city. caller: hello. to seehe privilege nelson mandela at a harvard university -- he was given an honorary degree in 1998, and i was so moved to hear his speech. and i'm -- my heart goes out to his family today. thank you very much. host: we hope to bring you to the 1998 congressional gold medal ceremony honoring nelson mandela. from colorado springs, good evening. caller: good evening to you. i had the privilege of seeing him on his tour in africa when he was released in 1990. and hisrate his life legacy and benchmark and a father figure to the regio
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president clinton, former president carter. who will their role be as u.s. presidents at these events? >> i think just to be there, to pay tribute, to give the sense of moment it deserves, international recognition that it deserves. i think for all of them at different levels. president bush who i covered didnavdela but no doubt respected him. bill clinton, of course, very close. and president obama in a unique way, encouraged to go see him when he's still a senator. mandela encouraged to meet with this up-and-coming star in politics. and for our president to be so moved by mandela, to really have his own place in the civil rights struggle against apartheid i think makes it very meaningful. his presence will be significant. >> when it comes to president obama's presence on the international stage, we know he's talking about this potential for comprehensive agreement with iran yesterday. he said it's 50/50 or, frankly, it could be worse. his approval numbers very low here. when it comes to the international stage, how is his capital right now? >> i don't think it's exceedingly high. i think
bill clinton. he said the world lost one of the most important leaders and one of the finest human beings. we'll remember him of a man of grace and compassion for abandoning bitterness and embracing adversaries was not just a political strategy a way of life. our thoughts and prayers go out to graca and his family and the people of south of ka. one of the great forces for freedom and equality. he's a good man and will be missed and his contributions will live on forever. colin powell states it simply, a great man left us today and went to his reward. nelson den dell la, madiba inspired the world. i was privileged to know him. >>> with us richard strangle, former time managing editor and author of "mandela's way, lessons of life and courage." we talked about what happens now in terms of the funeral. there is a whole timeline now that will play out. >> there is, and it's going to take ten days. we understand that the state funeral will be on saturday or sunday, if you calculate it, depending on how this plays out. so what are we going to see? we're going to see a state funeral in the
bill clinton. pat? >> yes, former president clinton says he's lost a true friend today. also, he says, quote, history will remember nelson mandela as a champion of dignity and f freedom. we will remember him as a man of grace and compassion for whom abandoning bitterness and embracing adversaries. back to you. >> thanks so much. we'll have continuing coverage, of course, and reaction of his death throughout the night and online at www.nbcwashington.com. we'll also have a full hour long special edition of "nightly news" following our broadcast. >>> now to other news and a developing local story. the d.c. police department is being rocked by not one but two scandals. three police officers are under investigation tonight. one officer was arrested earlier this week and facing charges of child pornography. a third officer has been disciplined. news 4s mark segraves is following this developing story from outside u.s. district court. mark? >> reporter: doreen, that's right. one officer charged with taking pornographic pictures of a 15-year-old girl while on duty. a second officer's home was
the years were in contact with him. president clinton sought counsel from him. >> on not only how to deal with his problems during impeachment. remember, you saw the clips earlier on. he was an example of so many leaders through tough times because they would think if nelson mandela can forgive, we can forgive. if he can reconcile, we can reconcile. tony blair points out this is what he symbolized, was not only reconciliation between races but between north and south, between africa and the rest of the world, between the rich and the poor. he could speak to everyone. >> we should remind everybody, he could be very much a scold when something happened he didn't like. he weighed in against public policy in america. >> he was quite disappointed in the way that a lot of other african leaders were dealing with their own countries and dealing with problems in their own countries. i think he grieved often for the people of south africa, that they could not do better after he left. >> that's right. thank you again, george. good to have you and robin with us at this hour tonight. >>> as you said,
george h.w. bush said the following. >> president clinton was in the white house when mandela was elected president of south africa. clinton saying the following. >> former president jimmy carter paying tribute to nelson mandela saying, his passion for freedom and justice created new hope for generations that have impressed people worldwide. the president of the united states often referred to as the leader of the free world but yet you can see from the statements in each of these men, they were in awe of nelson mandela. >> and a simple beginning to life. when you look at the place where he is going to be buried and cnn will be taking you through the days of mourning, ten days of morning in sfrouth africa. he had the desire to be buried in his hometown. >> he is going home. >> yes, he is going home. >> we will continue to bring you the life of nelson mandela all morning. >>> now to another big story. >> the weather. when we come back, we are going to tell you about this deadly winter storm that is wreaking havoc across our country. hundreds of flights have already been canceled. roads are
of millions at a meeting at the white house. of course, there is that infamous picture of bill clinton with mandela in 1998 when clinton went to visit mandela and mandela showed the president the jail cell where he spent 17 years under incarceration by the government. it was a total of 20 years in prison. in 2002 president george w. bush awarded mandela with a presidential medal of freedom and president obama met with mandela once back when he was a senator in 2005. so right now as we await for the president to speak about the passing of nelson mandela. >> i know it will be some heartfelt remarks from the president because when you think about it, it's this nation's first african american president offering sentiments about south africa's first black president, clearly tied together by their roles in history and connected a number of times in person, the obama family connecting with mandela's family in south africa. again you're looking right now outside of nelson mandela's home in johannesburg where people have gathered to remember, to reflect upon the life of the man they call madev
. the image of bill clinton at robben island, what an amazing treat to see that up close. >> you've got world leaders going there, including he was very critical of george w. bush over the iraq war and bush is heading down there. he was critical of the united states way back in 2003. i think he said if there's a krntd has committed unspeakable an frosties, it is the united states. this is a man who spoke from the heart and people respected him for na. >> can too i along time for the u.s. to divest in investments in south africa. the funeral for nelson mandela will be one of the biggest funerals the world has ever seen. officials preparing to welcome more than 91 current, former heads of state for this memorial. and president obama en route along with former president george w. bush. rare they're on air force one together. decided to get a ride. >> hitched a ride. they're going to be joined, of course, by former presidents bill clinton who was also close to any son mandela, as you said, and jimmy carter, too. he's going for the memorial service. some other world leaders who plan to attend for
for memorial event next week. nelson mandela met president obama in 2005. former presidents cloipt clinton and bush will travel to south africa. >> let's here about the event for the week ahead. >> south africa is preparing a week of events. flags fly at half mast. sunday is designated as a national day of prayer and reflection. the nation's people are asked to remember nelson mandela in their thoughts and prayers. tuesday the 10th is the next most important day. the day when the national memorial service will be held at the soccer city stadium. it conceded 95,000 people. it was the site of the 2012 world cup final and known as the kalabash. it's a cooking pot shaped in the form of a cooking pot. wednesday to friday nelson mandela's body will lie in state in the union building in pretoria. that's the official residents of the current president jacob zuma. there'll be many memorial services throughout the country during the three days. there'll be a state funeral. however, we have information because at that funeral nelson mandela's family and the world will say goodbye to the first nobel p
presidents clinton, bush and carter as well, a huge delegation from the united states. then nelson mandela's body will lie in state at the union buildings here in pretoria, the capital, for several days. and then again, the state funeral on sunday. during that entire week, there will be events, small, big, remembrances of all sorts. it's hard to understate the significance -- historical significance of this event, of this moment for this country and the rest of the world. and here as has been the case for the past two nights, a huge outpouring of emotion, a lot of celebration. but the mood is mixed. some somber, a lot of remembrances. this is the beginning of a very long good-bye to nelson mandela by this country and the world. >> nbc's ron allen live for us in johannesburg, ron, thank you so much. as south africans prepare to bury nelson mandela, his death has ignited a fresh round of questions over what his true legacy should be. civil rights icon, terrorist, communist? here to have that conversation with me, former u.s. ambassador to south africa donald gibbs, msnbc analyst michael stee
obama as well as two former presidents, clinton and bush, as well as their wives will be in attendance. they will be joined with the leaders of at least a dozen other countries and more are continuing to join. >> but here, this guy was the greatest. >> reporter: on sunday, thousands packed places of worship in pretoria and soweto. different creeds and colors honoring the same man as father. >> this is a special mass for mr. mandela. >> reporter: tears and keers capturing the love for father as south africans called mandela. the greatest memorial may be the faces, black and white together, parents bring children who will live a life madiba made possible. >> they were born free in south africa. they experience all the fruit. >> reporter: which pride and legacy, there is also lochlts one man has mandela's image on his car and says he hasn't been able to sleep or eat sense he heard the news. >> how can i live without madiba? i'm so sad. >> reporter: the long good bye will continue all week, adding to the legend and legacy of nelson mandela. you know on friday they had a ceremony for nelson
the world has ever known. former president bill clinton simply tweeting, i will never friend, madiba. wife andvived by his three daughters. ken is back with us in writing the cover story on how far south africa had come in apartheid from a piece in 2010. thanks for coming back. president mandela was a big opponent of educational opportunity. it expanded during his time in office. how did that translate into job creation and economic growth? >> for the first time, one of the issues with apartheid is that there was an entire generation of young people who skipped any kind of education. they came in and totally changed that system and now you have blacks college-educated since the end of apartheid who have joined the workforce and have become productive members of the economy. it's been a huge leap forward. >> there was criticism of mr. mandela from black south because the change was seismic in the country and they expect it seismic change to mean immediate change but that wasn't the case, was it? >> it's a tough proposition. the unemployment rate in 1992 was 40%. expectation was that this mi
is where he was born. it's expected that jimmy carter, bush the elder, bush the younger, bill clinton and president obama will pay to south africa to pay their respects, to the extent that their health allows it. the scale of the memorial and burial is expected to match those of pope john paul, winston churchill and people of that magnitude. ran rather said he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 21st century, that is how he's viewed around the world. his sature is something that few people have known. as the details emerge, we will bring them to you right here. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >>> nelson mandela told his biographer, men come and go. i have come and i will go when my time comes. nelson mandela's time came today. >> i pledge to you with all my strength and ability to live up to your expectations. i am your servant. i don't come to you as
compound. it is expected that jimmy carter, bush the younger, bush the older, bill clinton and president obama will visit. dan rather just said that he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 20th century. that is how he is viewed around the world. his stature in the world is something that few people have ever known in modern history let alone in history. as the details of the arrangements for the next few days emerge, we will bring them to you right hire. now it's time for the last word. >>> nelson mandela told his biographer men come and go,
the older, bill clinton and president obama will visit. dan rather just said that he should be considered the greatest leader of the second half of the 20th century. that is how he is viewed around the world. his stature in the world is something that few people have ever known in modern history let alone in history. as the details of the arrangements for the next few days emerge, we will bring them to you right hire. now it's time for the last word. >>> nelson mandela told his biographer men come and go, i have come, and i will go when my time comes. nelson mandela's time came today. >> i pledge to use all my strength and ability to live up to expectations. i am your servant. i don't come to you as a leader. >> nelson mandela has departed this earth at the age of 95. >> the founding president has departed. >> the day he was released from prison gave me a sense of what human beings can do when they're guided by their hopes and not their fears. >> na is the man the world has been waiting to see, his first public appearance in nearly three decades. >> the basic issue is the demand of one pe
to run. it's going to be one or the other and right now looks like hillary clinton. >> mark, have a great weekend. thanks for joining us. if you missed chris's interview, it does reair today at 4:00 eastern on msnbc. we'll be right back. [ paper rustles, outdoor sounds ] ♪ [ male announcer ] laura's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. medicare open enrollment.ttack, be sureof year again.ur doctor time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make changes. but it never hurts to see if you can find better coverage, save money, or both. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare turn to roc® retinol correxion®. one week, fine lines appear to fade. one month, deep wrinkles look smoother. after one year, skin looks ageless. high performance skincare™ only from roc®.
in 1994, u.s. leaders from frequently suspicious of him. during the clinton administration mandela praised cuba's communist dictator fidel castro and referred to libyan dictator muammar qaddafi as a friend. president bush said the iraq war was about liberation. mandela said all bush wanted was iraqi oil. now the flags in washington have been lowered to half-staff. the icon, whose legacy was at times considered a subversive threat. >> u.s. administration always seemed tread very carefully with mandela. and many officials who served as president throughout the years are even more delicate saying this is not the time to r relitigate those old conflicts. >> for more on the mood in south africa let's go to my colleague, mike hannah. he is in soweto, and it's great to sue you. how would you describe the mood on that street in that neighborhood this evening? >> well, it's a very strange mixture, tony. it's a deep sadness among many here. but there is also an insistence that there must be a celebration of his life. throughout the day here we have seen people dancing, singing, moving up and down. i
of state, hillary clinton, met mandala a few years after he was released from prison. >> mandala told many people that he had to learn to forgive, and he had to leave his anger behind when he walked out of prison. >> reporter: secretary of state john kerry was in tel aviv, working on an israeli/palestinian solution when he paused to remember mandala. >> madiba's long walk to freedom gave new meaning to character and to courage, to forgiveness and to human dignity. and now that his long walk has ended, the example that he set for all of humanity lives on. >> reporter: the white house has said that president obama will travel to south africa next week, to take part in mandala's memorial services. and it's a sign of mandala's importance as a world leader that mr. obama will be joined by former presidents george w. bush and bill clinton and their wives. anthony, venita? >> bill plante at the white house this morning. >>> the world remembers nelson mandela as a fighter for justice and a great national leader. but mandala also understood the rich power of music. in tonigh
in the first two hours after his death was announced. form er president clinton posting this picture, a hand shake and the words, i will never forget my friend mariba. and bush. it is a type of worldwide experience that draws young and old, black and white to share feelings. south african native charlize theron my thoughts and love to the family. rest in peace mariba. you will be missed but your impact will be felt frempl spike lee left this simple message and then this one from nasa, intergal lactic message. posting a picture of south africa. and crowds continue to gather in front of mandela's home, perhaps the day east most poignant message from mandela's own twitter account. death is inevitable. when a man has done what he considers to be a duty to his people he can rest in people. a virtual memorial on social media. electronic good-byes for the man that brought the world together. jim avila, abc news, new york. >> great one that came in from the dolly alai lama. he said he was a great human being. someone who we can truly say lived a meaningful life. >> we heard from so many people but f
on her talk show, her fond memories and the laughs they shared. >>> condolences from bill clinton to spike lee. social media lights up as the famous and not so famous share their thoughts. >>> the storm warnings across the middle of the nation as ice and snow, extreme arctic cold make for a miserable morning. it is friday, december 6th. >> announcer: from abc news, this is "world news now" with john muller and diana perez. >> we begin with the death of a man who changed the world, former south african president nelson mandela passing away at the age of 95. >> there's mourning and respectful celebration at every corner of the globe as millions honor mandela's legacy. his fight for racial equality landed him in prison for nearly three decades. he emerged undeterred and unbroken. abc's alexander marquardt has more. >> reporter: south africa has entered a period of national mourning. profound sadness at the loss of a man many affectionately knew as tata madiba. his death was announced by jacob zuma, who called mandela south africa's greatest son. the celebration has been remarkable. p
w. bush and bill clinton will join president obama at a memorial for nelson mandela next week as south africa mourns its former president's death. crowds outside his johannesburg home are singing their tributes. ♪ hundreds of people of all ages and colors are leaving candles, flowers, stuffed animals and balloons at the home of the civil rights icon. nelson mandela died thursday. he was 95 years old. when you talk about civil rights icons, the conversation ultimately turns to dr. martin luther king jr. well, dr. king never met nelson mandela. he did keep close tabs on the fight for equality in south africa. martin luther king iii said his constant fight for equality personified what me and my father often said, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." martin luther king iii joining me now. i'm quoting your dad. this is bringing so many people of all walks to reflect ton a giant man's life and the market that he left. >> yes, it is. he personified more than anything else and taught us the power of forgiveness. love and forgiveness was the essence of nelson mand
will be. president bill clinton, who has such a wonderful way with words, said, "every time nelson mandela walks into a room, we all feel a little bigger, we all want to stand up, we all want to cheer, because we'd like to be him on our best day." sadly, nelson mandela will not be walking into our rooms ever again, but we can all still strive to be like him on our best days. for, as he said in one of his many memorable proverbs -- "what counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. it is what difference we have made to the lives of others." >> mr. alistair burt. >> it is a real privilege to follow the right honorable gentleman. he speaks with an authenticity that few others could have in these circumstances. it must be the case that the vindication of history sits comfortably on his shoulders and on those of all in the anti- apartheid movement. he is entitled to his say today, and he has spoken very well of the things that matter so much to him and to so many of us. i remember as a small boy writing to basil d'oliveira when he was excluded from the test team, and i remember cheer
who wanted to bring people together, unify. as you know president clinton was a personal hero of nelson mandela. and during the 1992-'93 campaign, he wanted to come for the inaugural after visiting the united states in the summer of 1990. and i was chosen as one of his staff people to help out with bringing him around to several of the inaugural balls. he was curious. he loved people. and although we were always concerned about his health, you know, we were tiring him out. he wanted to do more and more and more. it was a great honor to go to south africa to train some of the organizers who participated in the first election. >> i want to ask you about that. he was a pretty fierce political organizer, as well. we just saw the pictures of the millions and millions of people on the roads in south africa, waiting to vote. and you were there to help train those election workers. what did you learn from him? >> well, david jenkins, the then-new york city mayor, they sent a team of us over there. and mandela said i want you to find the people who are unlikely to participate because t
. as it happened, i just went to a screening last week hosted by john mccain and hillary clinton at the kennedy center for the new film about mandela's life. i could tell you, kelly, it is -- it is a staggering lifetime that he led. the distance that he traveled from a poor kid in south africa where opportunities were foreclosed to turning briefly to violence after the frustrations of that movement and the massacre that occurred in sharkville in south africa in 1960. he was jailed after a trial. and then emerged triumphant and somebody that the entire world could look up to. this is -- you can bet that president obama's going to be heard on this before too long. and we've lost somebody that deserves emulation everywhere. >> i don't know, i just want to bring people a little bit of background information here about mandela's condition over the last couple of months. he had been three months in the hospital with the recurrent lun september, originally. but those lung problems attributed to the tuberculosis he contracted during 27 years in prison before he led his country to democracy, subject of
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